The Ukrainian conflict is rapidly iterating tech in what amounts to live fire testing for new systems while consuming very large numbers of personnel. The scale is like that of a World War, the intensity is as great as Vietnam, and the ‘dirtiness’ rivals anything seen in Bosnia/Serbia/Rwanda. What are the implications for accurate near term MilSF – not unlike the change to US-led Mil SF writing after the Viet Nam war – not just technological but emotional fall out (the difference between Heinlein/Pournelle/Niven on the one hand, to Drake/Haldeman on the other.) Rick Partlow moderates.